Neue Infos zum RvR Pack

[Pymonte]

Ein kleiner Hinweis für alle die Bruglir im Twitter noch nicht folgen. Dieser ist gerade auf dem Games Day UK und zwitschert wie wahnsinnig Infos zu WAR. Hier mal seine letzten Tweets:

server transfer to underpopped servers from overpopulated, new vanity items mounts pets coming!

purchaseable war tract , one time only

new barber surgeon to redo character appearance

new renown points have no tier locks, more renown abilities, no renown tactics anymore. more custonisation.

new rr abilities; last stand, take no damade for a period but then you die. total cleanse, no ap cost for short period.

new rvr- take enemy keep = win zone. bo's give resources to make keep stronger. you can respawn in keeps!

keeps upgrade by gathering resources. at rank 3 better siege weapons… 3k unmitigated damage

the enemy keep door can only be damaged by a ram. at rank 4 you get a ram and arial bombers!

you can parachute into a keep from the bombers

no more keep lords or npcs. keeps are now CTF battles. capture flag takes 30 seconds.

skavens! classes not careers. rat ogre and pack master confirmed

rat
ogres can throw allies onto keep walls, is also only other thing that
can damage kwep door. cannot be healed though except by pack maste

packmaster can summon hoards of rats, gives stacking debuff to reduce damage.

warlock engineer, builds warpstone buff nodes for healing, can repear siege weapons in combat. has flamethrower!

gutter runner! petmanent stealth, 70% fatser than everyone else, super squish…y, can sabbotage siege weapons, leap onto walls.

--- waaagh.de




Fuck Yeah! Mehr gibts da nicht zu sagen!

 

[C0ntra]

Das kommt doch alles nicht, das ist nur ne Hinhaltetaktik um den Leuten das letzte Geld aus der Tasche zu ziehen - Maintenance Mode und so. Das Spiel ist tot und die Server stehen kurz vor der Abschaltung. /Ironie



Um bei der Sache zu bleiben: "Fuck Yeah!"


PS: Texte lassen sich markieren um Missverständnisse auszuschließen.

 

[wowneindanke]

lol ist Contra ein Spacken...

man darf halt nicht auf den leeren Euro Servern zocken. Spiele seit langer Zeit auf Badlands und habe rund um die Uhr in jedem Tier Bereich Action ohne Ende! Hammer, so voll wie da war es noch nichtmal bei uns zum Start des Spiels!

 

[Dominau]

lol ist Contra ein Spacken...

Das kommt doch alles nicht, das ist nur ne Hinhaltetaktik um den Leuten das letzte Geld aus der Tasche zu ziehen - Maintenance Mode und so. Das Spiel ist tot und die Server stehen kurz vor der Abschaltung. /Ironie
PS: Texte lassen sich markieren um Missverständnisse auszuschließen.

BTT: Ich freu mich drauf. Würde am liebsten jetzt sofort in den Laden um die
Ecke rennen und mir eine Gamecard kaufen.

 

[Kranak90]

Hört sich ja alles nicht schlecht an. Mal sehen was es dann auch letztendlich ins Spiel schafft. Ich hoffe bei den Mounts handelt es sich nicht um die 2 fehlenden LDT Versionen die schon vor Monaten auf den Servern sein sollten.

 

[Wolfner]

Hört sich ganz nett an nur:

you can parachute into a keep from the bombers

no more keep lords or npcs. keeps are now CTF battles. capture flag takes 30 seconds.

Fördern diese beiden Dinge nicht genau wieder das, was man mit dem Riegel an der Hintertür der Keeps verhindern wollte? (Nämlich Stealtheinnamen, bei denen die Verteidiger plötzlich in einer fremden Burg standen und die Angreifer einfach reinschwärmen konnten.)

 

[C0ntra]

Fördern diese beiden Dinge nicht genau wieder das, was man mit dem Riegel an der Hintertür der Keeps verhindern wollte? (Nämlich Stealtheinnamen, bei denen die Verteidiger plötzlich in einer fremden Burg standen und die Angreifer einfach reinschwärmen konnten.)

Ich denke da müsste man auf weitere Informationen warten, insbesondere welche Vorbedingungen herrschen müssen, um per Fallschirm abgeworfen zu werden.
Ich lese da bisher heraus, das die Burgen LvL4 sein müssen, also im Normalfall eh verteidigt werden und den Torriegel gibt es ja trotzdem.
Je mehr Angreifer, desto eher wird man die Burg ausbauen, was zu besseren Verteidigungsmaßnahmen (stärkere Kanonen) und aber auch zusätzlichen Angriffswegen führt.
Auf den Mauern wird wohl auch heftiger gekämpft werden, weil da die Kanonen sind und man von unten dort hinauf geschleudert werden kann.

 

[OldboyX]

Ein kleiner Hinweis für alle die Bruglir im Twitter noch nicht folgen. Dieser ist gerade auf dem Games Day UK und zwitschert wie wahnsinnig Infos zu WAR. Hier mal seine letzten Tweets:

server transfer to underpopped servers from overpopulated, new vanity items mounts pets coming!

Ob das jemand will. Gibt es überhaupt einen overpopulated server wo die Leute "weg" wollen? Den Eindruck hatte ich bisher nirgends. Eher strömen immer noch mehr nach Badlands um endlich ständig "action" zu haben.

purchaseable war tract , one time only

Sagt mir nix.

new barber surgeon to redo character appearance

Hätte eigentlich ja schon länger im Spiel sein sollen, wurde aber verschoben etc. - eher "meh".

new renown points have no tier locks, more renown abilities, no renown tactics anymore. more custonisation.

Cool, keine Tier locks ist gut, da hat man mehr Freiheit beim Verteilen.

new rr abilities; last stand, take no damade for a period but then you die. total cleanse, no ap cost for short period.

Muss man mehr erfahren, die 2 hauen mich jetzt nicht vom Hocker. Da besteht die Gefahr, dass WAR ein "CD" Spiel wird wie es auch in Everquest PVP oft der Fall war. Mit CDs unbesiegbar, ohne CDs geht man PVP aus dem weg bis CDs wieder up sind. Wobei das ja dank der LOTD trinkets schon jetzt teilweise der Fall ist. Jedenfalls mag ich keine "pop trinket or CD = win" Situationen (da fällt mir gerade ein, dass der Deathknight in Everquest damals alle X minuten einen Deathtouch hatte um jemanden einfach zu 1hitten

).

new rvr- take enemy keep = win zone. bo's give resources to make keep stronger. you can respawn in keeps!

Nice.

keeps upgrade by gathering resources. at rank 3 better siege weapons… 3k unmitigated damage

Sehr nice, more power to the siege weapons.

the enemy keep door can only be damaged by a ram. at rank 4 you get a ram and arial bombers!

you can parachute into a keep from the bombers

Die beiden Sachen klingen 1:1 wie Insel der Eroberung in WoW. Flugbomber von denen man mit Fallschirmen in das feindliche Keep springen kann. Ich finde es gut, dass man nur noch mit der Ramme die Tore einrennen kann (sehr gute Neuerung), aber die anderen beiden Sachen finde ich eher so "meh". Ist halt kopiert und etwas anderes (Tunnel graben unter die Mauer durch zb.) wäre lustiger gewesen). Und ja, mir ist klar, dass WoW einiges von WAR kopiert hat (Stichwort Erfolge) und ich fand das auch immer beschissen.

no more keep lords or npcs. keeps are now CTF battles. capture flag takes 30 seconds.

Das ist eine Top Neuerung. Endlich weg von diesem Mongo-PVE für hirnamputierte Vollidioten. Tank and spank ONLY PVE war vor über 10 Jahren lustig als Everquest neu und aufregend war.

skavens! classes not careers. rat ogre and pack master confirmed

Immer noch unklar. Ich dachte immer Career in WAR ist nur ein anderer Ausdruck für Class. Blackorc = Career, Shaman = Career. Orc / Goblin = Race. Was soll das heißen "classes not careers"?

Eine dritte Fraktion scheint jedenfalls ausgeschlossen und es deutet alles darauf hin, dass Skaven (new race) mit verschiedenen careers auf beiden Seiten dazu kommt?

rat
ogres can throw allies onto keep walls, is also only other thing that
can damage kwep door. cannot be healed though except by pack maste

Cool, "throw allies onto keep walls" = katapult aus Insel der Eroberung in WoW, auch eine nette Änderung aber auch wieder "meh".

packmaster can summon hoards of rats, gives stacking debuff to reduce damage.

warlock engineer, builds warpstone buff nodes for healing, can repear siege weapons in combat. has flamethrower!

gutter runner! petmanent stealth, 70% fatser than everyone else, super squish…y, can sabbotage siege weapons, leap onto walls.

Leap onto walls ist cool. Permanent stealth könnte OP werden und 70% faster than everyone else natürlich genauso. Aber das klingt mal gut, auch Siege Weapons (die anscheinend ja an Bedeutung massiv gewinnen sollen) sabotieren klingt sehr gut.

 

[C0ntra]

"Ob das jemand will. Gibt es überhaupt einen overpopulated server wo die Leute "weg" wollen? Den Eindruck hatte ich bisher nirgends. Eher strömen immer noch mehr nach Badlands um endlich ständig "action" zu haben."

Badlands.
Überpolulation führt zu Stabilitätsproblemen, ob beim Spielen oder Einloggen. Dies führt zu Unmut bis hin zum canceln des Abos. Dieses Problem hat Badlands aktuell, vor daher ist der Gedanke dorthin zu wechseln, weil es "so schön voll is" einfach töricht.
Oder was glaubst du, warum man auf Badlands keine Trial Chars mehr spielen/erstellen kann?

 

[C0ntra]

Ausführlichere Infos zum RvR Pack:

Wer des englischen mächtig ist, findet hier einiges an Infos!

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Gamesday Uk news! RvR Campaign changes and Skaven!
So...right ok firstly some minor changes
On Line Shop/Microtransaction:

1. Server Transfers: Your going to be able to transfer toons from one server to another for a fee, theirs not going to be any cooldowns on it although their be putting in restrictions to stop over populated servers getting increasing any further. Normal rules apply so only Destro/Order characters on any given server.
2. Mounts: Appears mounts will be availible from a on-line shop, vanity style for a fee, the only one I could see from a screen shot were called started mounts and which, IIRC seemed to be +25% speed and 100% dismount change so seemed aimed at Tier 1.
3. Pets: Again vanity type pets will be added. Andy mentioned some of these would have a buff associated with them, the example he gave was one that applied a +2 speed increase so other types are likely to be similar sized so very minor but there.
4. WAR Tracts: Purchasable from an online shop similar to 2-5. Exactly the same as the in game item and you'd only be able to get one.

3 to 5 of the above would be applied account wide rather then per character and from the screen shot of 3 & 4 they were aimed at $9.99, whether thats that they'll be in the end or whether that was meant to be there is a different matter!
Barber Surgeon: Their gonna implement a way of completely re-doing your toon's look from scratch which is pretty good for everyone who messed up the character creation and needed a do over! Not said about how it's going to be implemented over then it's gonna be there.
Renown Rank System Change:
So we already knew they were pushing this up to 100 Renown Cap and that they were intending to smooth the journey from 1 to 80. They confirmed they'll be new armour sets 90 and 100 along with further weapons although their wasn't further info beyond that.
Renown Rank Points abilities:
Well this'll be getting a pretty massive do over!
They're removing the renown tactics altogether and replacing them with similar ability as "passive bonuses" mainly as not many people use them and it'll stop people having to mess about slotting further tactics.
They'll also be removing the "tiered" system altogether. Everything will unlocked so you want need to allocate X point in Tier Y to unlock ability Z you can go straight in for the +crit/dmg/resolute defense without the messing about!
Speaking of Resolute Defense they'll be adding in a number of powerful Renown Abilities, each of which will have 4 minute cool down and will obviously be a tactical call as to whether their worth the trade off compared to the increased stats.
The ones Andy was able to talk about were called Last Stand & Total Cleanse.
Last Stand: 4 minute cooldown. For the next 4 - 7 seconds you are completely undamagable(!). After 4 to 7 seconds you die(!) Should be fun expecially with some of the changes to come! I may have orginally stated this was 47 seconds...say them both in your head quickly and i'm sure you'll forgive me!! Total Cleanse: 4 minute cooldown. Removes all debuffs from your character, does pretty much exactly what it says on the tin.
No idea what it's actually called: 4 minute cooldown. Reduces the AP of all ability used to 0 for it's duration which is...no clue wasn't mentioned!
Whether they'll be others as well to come I'm not sure but he did mention all of the renown abilities will be ungradable with further point investments. This wasn't elaborated on but I imagine in the full of reduced cooldown/longer durations or maybe secondary effects?
Open RvR Champaign Changes:
Ok this was the biggie as far as I'm concerned, you can keep your skaven this is what I was interested in! (Not really the Skaven look cool but yea RvR goodness!)
Right, Well first the domination system is going out the window all together.
Each open zone will have the two keeps and the 4 BOs still. When ever a zone "unlocks" one keep will belong to one of the sides automatically so even in Chaos Wastes Order will have one and vice-versa in Reikland.
You zone into the Keeps, NOT the Warcamps from here on in! You respawn after dying in Your respective Keeps as well! You lock a zone by capturing the opposing keep. That's it no waiting no mess right? Well no it's a bit more complicated then that. Taking a leaf from the new scenario's their going for a far more dynamic take on controlling a lake involving the Battlefield Objectives.
These are still cappable as normal but there is no longer a cooldown on wresting control of them from the opposing side. So no capping and wandering off for 15 minutes safe in the knowledge it's untouchable. You leave one unguarded and they'll be vulnerable.
Why do you need them? Well once capped by either side they will start generating resources and when enough of them have build up a NPC spawns. (Think sappers from the city instances) Now when one spawns it will just sit there doing nothing...
They need to be triggered by interacting with them at which point they will scurry off with the resources and head to your Warcamp. Their gonna be fairly squishy and if the opposing faction kill one they will drop the resources which can then be ninjaed so they'll need watching. (Resources are gonna be important so trying to watch four BOs while guarding the carriers, while attacking the keep and potentially defending your own should do a fair job of splitting zergs and forcing warbands to co-ordinate with each other across a zone, will also have amazing potential for smaller hit squads to run guarilla sabatage tactics!)
So you once you get resources trickling into your warcamp they'll start leveling up your owned keep which will have 5 Ranks.

1. Rank One: Resource carrier's will become armoured and become far less squishy.
2. Rank Two: Carrier's will get a speed boast. (Hopefully one and two will mean once you get going ranking up will start escalating by this point)
3. Rank Three: Offensive siege weaponry becomes available! These will spawn in the keep and can be picked up by anyone and deployed any where, no more siege pads! Siege weaponry in general is getting a massive boast with the single target ones doing around 4k damage unmitigated! (Not sure if they meant it's Unmitigatable or 4k before armour/toughness etc is taken into account but a big increase either way!)
4. Ram becomes available, more offensive siege weapons spawn, Aerial Bombers* unlock - (*)Patience!
5. More weapons, more Aerial Bombers!

So should be mentioned that they are changing keeps so they CANNOT be ninjaed and doors CANNOT be harmed other then by Rams. Well Rams and one other think but that's to follow somewhere below! So with keep doors pretty much unassailable untill the opposing keep hits Rank 4 you need to be out in the lake patrolling, watching out for the opposing side as they try and disrupt your well oiled resource gathering troopers!
Keeps are going to have a Anti-res aura within the outer walls untill the Outer doors are taken down so any attackers, usually MDPS ghosting in through the postern (But potentially any class) will not be able to get ressed EVEN IF THE *Insert healer here* IS OUTSIDE THE WALLS.
The keep CANNOT be taken until the Inner Doors are destroyed so no more ninjaing cos it aint gonna work. Once the doors are down its a case of charging in, piling up the stairs, bundling into the lord's room but OH NOES: "Your keep lord is in another castle". Yep Keep Lords are no more instead they'll be a banner where they stood which must be interacted with uninterrupted for a full 30 seconds (timer subject to chance if its not realistic in practise). Now im not 100% on the ins and outs of this part but as the defenders spawn within the keep you are going to keep getting hit by waves of pissed Order/Destro while your trying this so should be fun!
It's worth pointing out keeps themselves will start out fully tricked out with siege weaponry so will be defensible from the get go!
Aerial Bombers: At stage 3 aerial bombers unlock, these will effectively be flying mounts which will spawn in the keep which can be mounted by anyone. They'll then take to the sky and will follow set patten patrols though the lakes, not sure the exact routes that will be taken but Andy confirmed they will pass over keys features/choke points to shake things up a bit. The bomber in question can...drop bombs. By the sounds of things these will be pretty devestating so your gonna want to spread out and keep a eye to the sky! Again these seem designed to chew through Blobs in particular which is a pretty reoccuring theme throughout! Once you get bored of bombing you can parachute down to safety! Inside the enemy keep! Wheeeee!
That's about it off the top of my head for the RvR changes but for my money it sound brilliant and as someone who has until recently kept away from the main Campaign I'll definitely be re-joining the War!
So great games day! Although I'm sure there was one other thing.... Oh yeah....
Boom! Skaven Shot!
Rat Orges, Packmaster, Warlock Engineers, Gutterrunners! You want 'em? We gots em!
Seems these WILL NOT be a seperate character! The unlocking mechanism has not been revealed as yet but they will effectively be a "sleeve" for your character, completed replacing your skin and class features for the duration! (I've no idea if their is a actual duration, don't think so but mean session or what ever!) This'll also mean any renown gained while a Skaven will level up your main toon! They'll be joining both sides (Its ok lore fans, apparently it's happened before in a book! Skaven Slayer I think according to Bruglir). I'm thinking maybe another resource type? Warpstone at a crazy outside guess!
So onto the Class types before this stops being a wall of text and gets into mountainous territory!
Rat Ogres: Huge hulking beasts of destruction, damage dealing mobile siege weapon pretty much!

1. Lots of wounds!
2. Lots of toughness!
3. Lots of damage!
4. Special Charge Attack! Gives you a speed boast and knockdown/knockback (Not sure sorry!) Any enemies in your way! Reminds me of the Tank from L4D!
5. Special Hurl Attack! Pick up a near by ally and throw them up on the enemy keep wall! (This sounds like so much fun but potentially could cause a fair bit of grief "Gimme healz!" "No I'm busy healing others!" *Hurl*)
6. Can damage doors. Other then Rams the only thing in the game that can!
7. Can't be healed! EXCEPT BY.....

Packmaster: The brains to the Ogres brawn your looking at a squishy buff/debuff type dude!

1. Can heal Rat Ogres!
2. Very Squishy!
3. Can produce buffs that effect allies around and that again compliment Rat Ogres!
4. Summon rat swarms that do ridiculous damage (Quoted as 1!) but that apply a outgoing damage debuff to the target. It stacks. Alot. And Quickly.
5. Can leg it to the nearest Rat Ogre if in trouble! (Sounds like pounce but defensive only and to the nearest Ogre...which is also likely to be Hulking out in melee range of people!)

Warlock Engineers: A defensive beast, adept at protecting keeps especially

1. Has a number of AoE pulsing buffs, increased AP regen or healer pluses. Sounds like a extension of the Zealot/Rune Priest ritual system.
2. Has a Warpfire flamethrower!
3. Can repair siege weapons!
4. I should point out all of the classes will have further ability but these are the ones they're prepared to talk about at this stage!

Gutter Runners: Fast, Invisible, Utility heavy sneaky rat bastards

1. Has a permanent stealth mode
2. Run invisible with a +70% speed increase. At all times!
3. Very very squishy!
4. Can "leap" onto keep walls in a single bound!
5. Can sabotage siege weapons which will trigger when someone trys to next one it. Will deal 4-5k and break the siege weaponry which will then be unusable till either a Warlock Engineer gets to it or that repair renown ability is used!
6. Very low damage dealing wise though, they'll be strictly utility based running around hampering opposition!

That's pretty much it I believe, their was some Q&A, I'm pretty sure he said "Yes" when asked if forts were making a comeback but I missed the wording on the question and so may well have been one of those "are they any plans" "have you thought about" "is there any chance" rather they a straight forward are you putting them back in kinda thing.
I did check and the new keep system will pretty much mean guild can no longer claim keeps (Although this hasn't been finalised) so a guild wont be able to control the siege weaponry, Bombers etc distribution.
Likewise Tier One will remain pretty much as before as they have no keeps and there are no plans to change that.
Oh yeah and they did mention they looking into potentially cross service scenario queuing or some kind of matching up similar groups against each other (But looking into could mean anything!)

 

[Lari]

Mounts und Pets im Shop? Kommt mir so bekannt vor

RvR-Änderungen klingen gut. Aber den Tag nicht vor dem Abend loben, Mythic hat bisher viel versprochen

 

[Golrik Eisenfaust]

Das mit den Bos und Resourcen kommt mir bekannt vor =)
Aber sowas sind Ideen, die sich mal gut anhören. Abwarten wie es weiter geht. Aber wenn das Open RVR sich so ändert, dass man aktiver was macht und passiv auch. Dann wird es interessanter und wirklicher.

 

[Pymonte]

Mehr Infos hier: http://waaagh.de/forum/fokus-artikel/mythic-erste-infos-vom-gamesday-uk/#p717

 

[Thoraros]

Als Ratte kannste dich ja unter den Mauern hinein graben! Top Idee

Die Pets sollen aber im normalen Spiel ohne Geld zu bekommen sein und die Mounts seien nur deko-Style .... kA was da genau kommen wird.

 

[C0ntra]

Ein Rosa Pegasus mit Glöckchen und eine flauschige Mietzekatze mit viel zu großen Augen!

 

[OldboyX]

Als Ratte kannste dich ja unter den Mauern hinein graben! Top Idee

Die Pets sollen aber im normalen Spiel ohne Geld zu bekommen sein und die Mounts seien nur deko-Style .... kA was da genau kommen wird.

Echt? Konnte die ausführlichen Neuerungen nur skimmen. Tunnel graben wäre urgeil.

 

[C0ntra]

Auf Mauern springen wird man können, aber sich nicht darunter durch graben.

 

[Golrik Eisenfaust]

Wenn sie die Belagerungsoptionen ändern, ist springen auf mauern ok. Wenn nicht, dann ist es besser anders herum. Weil man dann so erklären könnte, dass man nicht ins innere der Burg buddeln kann. Rein um nicht jede Stadtmauer umgehen zu können =).
Ja abwarten, einige IDeen davon hören sich nach langem, wirklich auch nach Änderungen an, die mal mehr sind als fixes einfaches überspielen von Problemen und ein weiterer Schritt wie eben schon Stadtbelagerung zeigt, in Richtung. Mechanik Fehler auch etwas zu umgehen und zu verändern und nicht nur auf die Mechanik aufbauen und eben nicht diese als Fehler zu sehen oder als Problem.
Nein wenn davon einiges umgesetzt wird, auch ohne Geld ist es top. Eben abwarten. Skaven werden denk ich cool werden, interessiert mich aber nicht =) da sie zwar ein Gimick sind. Aber an sich, muss eben Fokus auf das RVR selbst gelegt werden und dort mal was gemacht werden und das machen sie ja scheinbar. Aber eben abwarten.

 

[Phash]

gibbet dafür eigentlich auch n angepeiltes release date?