Official Beta-Build Update thread

[Parkway]

Moin Moin Kriegerlein

Extra für euch, ein update- und Diskussionthread über die laufenden Beta-neuerungen um den Krieger.

Ich werd euch hier immer auf dem laufenden halten und die neusten Beta-Builds posten.
Mir ist klar dass das jeder auch selbst auf MMO-Champ nachlesen kann, aber ich denke ein thread mit ner gesamt-übersicht kann nicht schaden

Updates kommen immer in den eröffnungspost.
Vielleicht kann man ja ein Sticky draus machen

TALENTE UND SKILLS

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21.07.2010


http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/icons/iwarriors.gif Warrior (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Arms

• Thunder Clap now decreases attack speed for 30 sec. Up from 10 sec.
• Rend damage has been increased. Now deals [ 8.57% of Weapon Speed * AP + 60% of Weap. Min. Damage + 60% of Max. Weap. Damage ], up from [ 7.14% of MWS * AP + 50% of MWB + 50% of mwb ].
• Second Wind is now a Tier 6 talent. Up from Tier 5.
• Throwdown *New* - Knocks the target to the ground and stuns it for 5 sec. / 15 Rage, 5 yd range, Instant, 45 sec cooldown

Fury

• Heroic Leap now decreases attack speed for 30 sec. Up from 10 sec.
• Enraged Regeneration no longer consumes Enrage effects.
• Berserker Rage now requires you to be in Berserker Stance.
• Death Wish is now a Tier 3 talent. Down from Tier 5.
• Rampage is now a Tier 4 talent. Down from Tier 5.
• Heroic Fury now has a 30 sec cooldown. Down from 45 sec.
• Even the Odds is now named Meat Cleaver.
• Flurry is now a Tier 5 talent. Up from Tier 4.
• Impending Victory is now a Protection Talent.
• Piercing Howl is now a Tier 2 talent. Down from Tier 3.
• Enrage now procs from any damage.
• Unbridled Wrath now generates 5 rage points when you deal melee damage with a weapon. (Up from 1)
• Enrage - After taking any damage, you have a 30% chance to become Enraged, giving you a 6% damage bonus for 12 sec. /
• Raging Blow *New* - A mighty blow that deals 100% weapon damage from both melee weapons. Can only be used while Enraged. / 20 Rage, 5 yd range, Instant, 3 sec cooldown

Protection

• Shield Wall now reduces damage taken by 40%. Down from 60%.
• Shield Block now costs 10 Rage and has a 30 sec cooldown. (Old - No rage, 1 Min cooldown)
• Warbringer is now a Tier 6 Talent. Up from Tier 5.
• Vigilance now let you gain vengeance as if 20% of the damage was done to you.
• Sweep and Clear was changed to Thunderstruck - Your Thunder Clap leaves a crackling zone of energy on the ground for 5/10 sec, dealing 5.63 damage every sec to enemies that cross it.
• Hold the Line now increases the critical strike and critical block chance by 10% for 5 sec.
• Impending Victory *New* - Using Shield Slam on a target with 20% or less health has a 50/100% chance to allow the use of Victory Rush but that Victory Rush only heals for 5% of your health.

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23.07.2010


http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/icons/iwarriors.gif Warrior (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Arms

• Wrecking Crew now procs from your Mortal Strike critical hits instead of all melee critical hits. 33/66/100% chance to Enrage you.
• Lambs to the Slaughter has been revamped - After dealing a Mortal Strike, your next Execute, Overpower or Mortal Stike will cause 10/20/30% more damage.
• Impale now affects Overpower instead of Execute.
• Deadly Calm *New* - For the next 10 sec seconds, none of your abilities cost rage, but you continue to generate rage. / Instant, 2 min cooldown
• Endless Rage is now a primary skill.

Fury

• Bloodsurge now affects Raging Blow instead of Whirlwind.
• Meat Cleaver got an additional bonus - Increases the damage done by your Cleave and Whirlwind abilities by 20%, and your Cleaves and Whirlwinds have a 60% chance to increase the damage of your next Cleave or Whirlwind by an additional 10/20%.
• Intensify Rage is now a 2 ranks talent Reducing the cooldown of your Bloodrage, Berserker Rage, Recklessness and Death Wish abilities by 10/20%. (Down from 3 Ranks, 11/22/33% Reduction)
• Unbridled Wrath has been replaced by Battle Trance - Your Bloodthirst, Mortal Strike and Shield Slam hits have a 5/10/15% chance to make your next special attack consume no rage.

Protection

• Damage Shield is now a Tier 4 talent, down from Tier 6. Now causes damage equal to 20/40% of your Strength. (Old - 10/20% of your attack power)
• Improved Defensive Stance is now named Bastion of Defense.
• Safeguard is now a Tier 6 talent. Up from Tier 4.
• Blood and Thunder is now a Tier 2 talent. Down from Tier 3.
• Gag Order now Also lowers the cooldown on your Heroic Throw by 15/30 sec.
• Improved Revenge is now a Tier 3 talent. Up from Tier 2.

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30.07.2010


http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/icons/iwarriors.gif Warrior (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Arms

• Overpower now has a 1 sec cooldown. Down from 5 sec.
• Thunder Clap damage has been increased by ~25%
• Strikes of Opportunity *New* - Grants a 16% chance for your melee attacks to instantly trigger an additional melee attack for 50% normal damage. Chance increased further by mastery rating.
• Colossus Smash *New* Battle / Berserker Stance - Smashes a target for weapon damage plus 120 and weakens their defenses, allowing your Mortal Strike, Heroic Strike, Bloodthirst and Overpower
  to bypass their armor for 6 sec sec. / 30 Rage, 5 yd range, Instant, 20 sec cooldown
• Second Wind now is a Tier 2 talent. Down from Tier 6.
• Blood Frenzy now is a Tier 4 talent. Down from Tier 5.
• Sudden Death is now a Tier 5 talent (Down from Tier 4), 2 points (Down from 3 Points) and now is - Your melee hits have a 5/10% chance of resetting the cooldown on your Colossus Smash, and you keep 5/10 rage after using Execute.
• Improved Slam now also increases Slam's damage by 10/20%.
• Taste for Blood now also increases your Overpower critical strike chance by 20/40/60%.
• Improved Overpower is gone.
• Drums of War (Tier 2) *New* - Reduces the rage cost of your Hamstring, Shield Bash, Pummel, and any shouts which cost rage by 25/50%.
• Blitz is now a Tier 1 talent. Down from Tier 2.
• Impale is now a Tier 3 talent. Up from Tier 2.
• Improved Hamstring is back as a Tier 3 talent - Your Hamstring ability immobilizes the target for 5 sec. This effect cannot occur more than once every 30/60 sec.
• Tactical Mastery is back as a Tier 2 Talent - You retain up to an additional 25/50 rage when you change stances.

Fury

• Bloodthirst now has a 3 sec cooldown. Down from 4 sec.
• Victory Rush no longer has a stance requirement. (Be careful with that one, tooltip bugs happened with warrior stances)
• Unshackled Fury *New* - Increases the benefit of abilities that cause you to be enraged or consume an enrage effect by 80%.
• Flurry is now a Tier 3 talent. Down from Tier 5.
• Heroic Fury is now a Tier 5 talent. Down from Tier 4.
• Raging Blow now has a 6 sec cooldown. Up from 3 sec.
• Booming Voice now is a Tier 5 talent. Up from Tier 4.
• Fury in the Blood is gone.
• Die by the Sword (Tier 5) *New* - Increases your parry chance by 100% for 4/8 sec whenver you are brought to 20% health or less. This effect cannot occur more often than once every 2 min.
• Enrage is now a Tier 2 talent. Down from Tier 3. Changed to - Your melee hits have a 3/6/9% chance to Enrage you, giving you a 3/7/10% damage bonus for 12 sec.
• Blood Craze is now a Tier 1 talent. Down from Tier 2.
• Improved Execute is now a Tier 3 talent. Up from Tier 2.
• Armored to the Teeth is gone.
• Rude Interruption (Tier 2) *New* - Successfully interrupting a spell with Shield Bash or Pummel increases your damage by 5% for 30 sec/1 min.

Protection

• Shield Block now has a 1 min cooldown. Up from 30 sec.
• Critical Block *New* - Increases your chance to block by 10% and your chance to critically block by 10%. Chances increased further by mastery rating.
• Shockwave now deals [ 75% of AP ] damage. (Up from 38% of AP)
• Warbringer now is a Tier 5 talent. Down from Tier 6.
• Devastate additional damage has been increased by 66%.
• Damage Shield now deals 10/20% of your attack power. (Old - 20/40% of your Strength)
• Improved Revenge is now a Tier 2 talent. Down from Tier 3.
• Incite no longer affects Thunder Clap or Cleave. Additional effect - your Heroic Strike critical strikes have a 33/66/100% chance to make you next Heroic Strike also a critical strike. This effect cannot occur more than once every 6 seconds.

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31.07.2010


http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/icons/iwarriors.gif Warrior (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Slam usable while moving
It is. (Source)

Protection changes in Build 12664
We buffed Thunder Clap to make up for the loss of the Imp TClap talent. We buffed Shockwave just because it got caught up in the big AE nerf, but it's really not an AE on the level of Hurricane / Blizzard. We buffed Devastate because we realized we had forgotten to compensate it for reducing the number of Sunder stacks.

All of those changes should bring Prot warrior abilities back to something that feels more normal to a current warrior.

Currently we are looking really hard at AE damage abilities by all tanks. We tried Thunder Clap with no cooldown and didn't like it. We also tried Thunder Clap with a Consecrate-like talent, but I'm not sure we like that either. At the moment we are thinking of nerfing any of the really passive AEs, including Swipe, Death and Decay, Damage Shield and Consecrate. All of those abilities (well, maybe not Damage Shield) would still be usable, but they would be more situational.

The bottom line is that we think all tanks need to be able to trivially handle the massive adds or straggling adds situations easily, or none of them should be able to.


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05.08.2010 *NEW*


http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/icons/iwarriors.gif Warrior (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Fury

• Bloodsurge no longer procs from Heroic Strike.
• Booming Voice now reduces the cooldown on your Battle Shout and Commanding Shout by 15/30 sec.
• Rampage additional effect - In addition, improves your critical strike chance by an additional 2%.
• Enrage now lasts 4 sec. Down from 12 sec.
• Rude Interruption now lasts 15/30 sec. Down from 30 sec/1 min.

Protection

• Impending Victory is now a Tier 4 talent. Down from Tier 5.
• Warbringer is now a Tier 3 talent. Down from Tier 5.
• Bastion of Defense is now a Tier 3 talent. Down from Tier 4.
• Damage Shield is gone.
• Thunderstruck is now a Tier 5 talent. Up from Tier 3. Revamped - Improves the damage of your Cleave and Thunder Clap by 3/6%. In addition, your Thunder Clap improves the damage of your next Shockwave by 5/10%. Stacks up to 3 times.
• Gag Order is now a Tier 4 talent. Up from Tier 3.
• Shield Specialization now allows you to generate 20/40/60 extra rage when you Spell Reflect a magic attack.
• Heavy Repercussions *New* - While your Shield Block is active, your Shield Slams hit for an additional 50/100% damage.

 

[Parkway]

MASTERY


(For example, a level 82 player will get 1 Mastery point for each 93 Mastery Rating he has. This mastery point will increase the mastery bonus differently depending on the class, +1 Mastery Point doesn't necessarily means a +1% increase to the bonus. (e.g. A Beast Mastery hunter with +2 Mastery gets +4% increased pet damage)
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31.07.2010


http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/icons/iwarriors.gif Warrior (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

• Fury - Increases the benefit of abilities that cause you to be enraged or consume an enrage effect by 80%. Enrage abilities improved further by mastery rating.
• Protection - Increases your chance to block by 10% and your chance to critically block by 10%. Chances increased further by mastery rating.
• Arms - Grants a 16% chance for your melee attack to instantly trigger an additional melee attack for 50% normal damage. Chance increased further by mastery rating.

 

[Schattenstoffspezi]

Boah nee oder? Die ham den Fury-Baum nun entgültig verunstaltet...

 

[Serivola]

Ich find ihn ja geil...
So zur Info: Egal wie viele DPS-Talente es in einem Baum gibt, die Klassen werden zueinander gebalanced. Hat nun ein Baum weniger DPS-Talente so hat man mehr Punkte für Fun-Talente frei was irgendwie toll ist.

 

[Frisisch]

Naja ich fand die Änderung mit den kleinen Talentbäumen nicht schlim, aber ich hab gern das Gefühl das jeder vergebene Punkt auch einen guten sin erfült.
Bei diesem Fury baum hab ich aber das Gefühl, als müste ich Punkte für Dinge ausgeben die ich nicht will nur um ans Ende zu kommen.
Alerdings denke ich das der eh wieder geändert wird und dann wird das schon alles passen am Ende. (hoffe ich)

 

[Parkway]

fury ist im moment saulustig in der beta

läuft extrem rund und flüssig, macht echt laune. suche atm noch 2 einhänder um SMF zu testen.

da cleave keine CD im moment (denke nicht dass des so bleibt) ist bomben toll, oder auch beim questen -> 5-6 mobs holen cleave cleave cleave cleave cleave cleave xD

 

[Serivola]

Löst Cleave den GCD aus?

 

[Parkway]

jo aufm GCD liegt es schon, aber der style selbst hat keinen CD. wie HS auch

etwas gewöhnungsbedürftig. kommt aber auch zum gruppentanken sehr ordentlich

was mir zZt am besten gefällt ist:

Bloodthirst now has a 3 sec cooldown. Down from 4 sec.

mir kommts vor als dass man echt JEDEN CD nen style raushauen kann und trotzdem immer 80-100 rage hat Oo

hingegen:

Raging Blow *New* - A mighty blow that deals 100% weapon damage from both melee weapons. Can only be used while Enraged. / 20 Rage, 5 yd range, Instant, 3 sec cooldown

ist ein wenig enttäuschend... macht "gefühlt" keinen dmg

 

[Soulii]

liefer mal zahlen , was bt und was rb so liefert, dazu dann noch slams und hs ach und nen ww , am besten singletarget puppe oder so

 

[Parkway]

sobald ich zeit finde

 

[Soulii]

wie wäre es mit jetzt ?
ich hab grad kaffee und kuchen auf der arbeit und brauche input

 

[Parkway]

wär irgendwie nicht gut wenn man auf arbeit zocken könnte wa?

 

[Parkway]

*UPDATE*


- kleines Update zu den builds

- MASTERY ist zurück in der Beta, darüber alles im 2ten Post




- "The bottom line is that we think all tanks need to be able to trivially handle the massive adds or straggling adds situations easily, or none of them should be able to." LOOLz

 

[Parkway]

argh FURY's...

Sobald Cata wieder zum "bomb-content" verkommt (und ja das wird so sein, bei zunehmendem EQ), werdens die Tanks schwer haben mit uns, wenns um trash bomben geht, sei es in heros oder raids...

stellt euch vor, trashgruppe 5,6,7 mobs... -> Tank geht rein, Fury hinterher: Cleave spam, den castermob natürlich im focus um ab und zu zu pummeln und die 10% dmg increase zu kriegen, hoppla AGGRO -> wut schiesst in die höhe BAM "inner rage" nochmal 10% dmg increase...

cleave cleave aggroschleuder inc.

we're gonna be Saurfangs

 

[Soulii]

wo bleiben die zahlen

 

[Parkway]

*UPDATE* NEUER BUILD

überwiegend negativ. Fury CDs gestutzt, Tank im AE wieder generft...

 

[Schattenstoffspezi]

Mittlerweile kann ich mich schon mit dem Furybaum anfreunden

Wenn ich richtig zusammengezählt habe kommen wir auf 55% mehr Damage wenn alles aktiv ist was +% Damage gibt und das is schon nice